I forgot to mention, it would be unusual not to be offered a tree at some point over the weekend ! It becomes cyclic, do a show, get offered a tree, collect it and turn it, take the pieces to a show.... :)
ATB John
I forgot to mention, it would be unusual not to be offered a tree at some point over the weekend ! It becomes cyclic, do a show, get offered a tree, collect it and turn it, take the pieces to a show.... :)
ATB John
Everything above but a couple of quick thoughts;Guess I'm lucky then!
You need 3 conversation openers, to get people talking
You'll be lucky to sell more than one nice item at a normal sized show. So make sure you have lots of small (impulse) buy items, that don't cost more than a few pounds.
Everything above but a couple of quick thoughts;Guess I'm lucky then!
You need 3 conversation openers, to get people talking
You'll be lucky to sell more than one nice item at a normal sized show. So make sure you have lots of small (impulse) buy items, that don't cost more than a few pounds.
only deal in cash myself and take £100 or over for single items but the rest are £20 plus so i guess there is an ATM in the vicinity.Steve I only used to deal in cash at one time as it was so much easier, but I am now convinced that cash only loses sales 'cos a lot of people don't carry cash these days. I'm sure my sales have gone up since getting the card machine.
But Ed still wore shorts ! :)That's because he can't afford a full pair of trousers.
But Ed still wore shorts ! :)That's because he can't afford a full pair of trousers.
I just had the opposite result. Spent the weekend at Ragley Hall. Total cost £216, total takings £52. Chances for any commissions or follow-on orders: can't remember any.
To be honest, it was affected by quite some rain on the Saturday, and there were more people on Sunday. However, that did not result in any more sales.
Yes, these are all good things, but in the end of the day there are bills to pay. And if you are not making enough money to pay those bills, then eventually the hunger/thirst/cold/whatever will make your life so miserable that the joy of doing what you love doing comes to an end. And for this very reason I cannot afford to attend shows where the outgoings exceed the incomings.
Quite an interesting thread ..... I sell mostly through galleries but had a bit of a build up at home of stock that was unsold and then removed from galleries
interesting and varied comments.
What about people who just want to cover the cost of their hobby?
We don't all want to make a living at it we just like doing it.
I have started selling a few pieces and I will fall into the 'far too cheap' bracket but I don't care. I am just happy when someone appreciates an object I have made. I do not factor in time, electricity, travel or consumables these are all just part of the making process. For me if I cover the cost of the wood and enough to buy another bit then I am happy the price of a bacon sandwich is a bonus!
Sorry if that upsets the professional turners but it is my Hobby not my job.
I am not afraid to say that I am with Pete, Fuzzyturns and lots of other woodturners I speak to on this one.
ATB John
I think as an absolute minimum starting point you should charge your time at the national minimum wage, i.e. £7.83 per hour. Add your costs on top, and then you have a level playing field. I am pretty sure that most professionals would charge more for their time, but then they are probably also faster.
If you are selling your work you should be registered as at least a sole trader. If not you are liable to a massive fine if they catch you and they do have inspectors going around shows and sales including the church hall type. You should also have PPI hope you do. A t light holder by the way should be about £10 including the cost of the insert unless it is something special. And yes people do pay that and more for them.
Pete
If you are selling your work you should be registered as at least a sole trader. If not you are liable to a massive fine if they catch you and they do have inspectors going around shows and sales including the church hall type. You should also have PPI hope you do. A t light holder by the way should be about £10 including the cost of the insert unless it is something special. And yes people do pay that and more for them.
Pete
Please show me where it says anybody who sells anything has to be a sole trader? As I have already said I don't make a profit so where is my tax liability. PLI is not always required (and is not a legal requirement in any case) depends on what and where you are selling.
Please when replying quote actual law not just what you think is right.
If you are selling your work you should be registered as at least a sole trader. If not you are liable to a massive fine if they catch you and they do have inspectors going around shows and sales including the church hall type. You should also have PPI hope you do. A t light holder by the way should be about £10 including the cost of the insert unless it is something special. And yes people do pay that and more for them.
Pete
Please show me where it says anybody who sells anything has to be a sole trader? As I have already said I don't make a profit so where is my tax liability. PLI is not always required (and is not a legal requirement in any case) depends on what and where you are selling.
Please when replying quote actual law not just what you think is right.
You also might need to complete a self assessment tax return if:
"You have untaxed income. This could be, for example, interest that is not taxed before it is paid to you or rental income. If you are an employee or a pensioner and the income is less than £2,500 a year you might not have to complete a tax return but it is still your responsibility to report such income by contacting HMRC. If you receive other untaxed income and the tax due on it cannot be collected via your PAYE coding notice you will need to complete a tax return;"
Taken from HMRC site.
I made this walnut bowl , and IF I decided to sell it I would ask at least £70
The blank cost me £20
It was given to my daughter who asked for a salad bowl :)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1936/45156870471_c7b87d3dae_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2bNmLmg)IMG_3699 (https://flic.kr/p/2bNmLmg) by (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150639903@N08/), on Flickr
10" x 8" deep
No point in continuing the discussoion re: tax etc as it is obvious that any advice will be ignored. In closing my advice came from HMRC when I first started out and my advice to anyone who is selling their work to do the same. Income is based on money taken for goods sold plus any other income which, according to the HMRC also includes pensions etc. If you earn less than a taxable income and sell work as well the total income is what the tax man is going to assess. If you don't believe me ask HMRC. If you are actually making a loss, taking into consideration cost of materials, tracvel, show expenses etc, you can even be in line for a rebate. I know a number of crafters to whom this applied.
Pete
Derek I never used to consider myself artistic, still don't to a certain degree but you will surprise yourself oneday when you have an idea of something to make that will make you realise we are all artists but we just need different amounts of time to mature.
I have had people on my stall saying "I could get a bowl like that for £20 from <name-the-shop>",