Goblet

[Jo Winter2]

Hi all,
13x13x18cm, cherry tree and African blackwood.
Comments please, in all manner.

Jo

[Bryan Milham]

Hi Joe,

I can't speak for anyone else but I'm having trouble with the description as a Goblet. Goblets evoke images of something to drink out of and are not normally lidded, yes I know German Steins are.

Then again the dimensions you give are too big to call it a turned box, I've therefore got to see it as a lidded vessel, but as I said, that's just me, and as always I'm prepares to be disagreed with.

As for the turning and design, whatever you want to call it, it's well up to your normal high standards and a joy to look at and think about the processes you've used in it's making,

thanks for posting.

[Jo Winter2]

Hi dr4g0nfly,
may be you are right. I'm German and this translation was a little problem for me.
I mean the thing the priests have with hosts in it.
Thanks

[Andy Coates]

Would "chalice" be a better word?

[Bryan Milham]

Yes Andy, Chalice, the very word and it fits the item very well.

I think any church would be pleased to have a wooden chalice like that for it's communion table.

[TONY MALIN]

Hi
I have always associated 'chalice' with the cup holding the wine, so I've done a bit of research.

The vessel used for the HOST (represented by the bread wafers) is a CIBORIUM. It differs from the chalice in that it has a lid or cover.

There's a mass (no pun intended) of detail in Wikipedia about the history of the lengths they used to go to to maintain the 'purity' of the bread, hence I suppose the need for a cover. The wine would presumably have been stored in a flask.

Hoffentlich, alles jetzt klar ist Jo

Tony Malin

[Andy Coates]

Hoffentlich, alles jetzt klar ist Jo

That's easy for you to say!

[TONY MALIN]

So do you want me to translate?

It is more or less self explanatory apart from "jetzt" = (now) and the german word order.

Jo (Joachim) is too polite to pick me up if I got that wrong.


Tony Malin

[Andy Coates]

No, that's fine. Everying is perfectly clear, thanks.

[Jo Winter2]

Hi all,
thanks for your help. Tony, I think Andy is right, the ciborium is a part of the altar with four pillars.
essentially you know what I mean. But it is completely different to hold it.
Jo

[TONY MALIN]

Hi Jo

One thing you need to know about me is that I don't give up easily. Some say I'm a stubborn old ****er (so and so). I'll be 87 on the23rd.

So I've had another look into this, and come up with the following two definitions.

Ciborium may refer to:
 Ciborium (container), normally a covered cup for holding hosts from the Christian eucharist, or a shape of Ancient Greek cup
 Ciborium (architecture), normally a canopy-like structure built over the altar of a Christian church.

So I stick to my guns (as we say) and what you have made is a Ciborium.

The early history of the extent to which the "host" was dealt with is well worth looking up in Wikipedia. Who was allowed to make it. What ingredients were allowed.
How long could it be kept and so on.

(Owing to a major crash I lost all my email addresses so would appreciate a brief direct email message from you.)

Tony Malin

[hughie]

well what ever we call it, its a fine effort and Iowuld happy to see it sitting on my mantle piece

ein sehr gutes stuck

[TONY MALIN]

"ein sehr gutes stuck"

I'll bet Andy's stuck on that one! Nicht wahr?

Tony Malin

[Jo Winter2]

Hi all,
your question "how to make" ?
In one of the next WOODTURNING issues I show you the "Jolani". The Jolani is also a box
off my "PEP" named series. But only the basics. It's a completely new method to chuck by
a selfmade wooden chuck. This chuck works in two directions, chucks the bottom and presses
against the lower side of the box. Have a look in the magazine and you will find it out.

For all German speaking people, a article in native newspaper from Saturday.
http://www.allgemeine-zeitung.de/region/bingen/bingen/12065316.htm

Regards Jo

[TONY MALIN]

Hi Jo
Interesting article. I was able to get the gist of it with my limited german, but then tried the Google translation. It was quite good and in most cases where the word order was not corrected it was still meaningful.

Tony Malin