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Re: Rethinking Woodturning Demonstrations
« Reply #30 on: July 18, 2016, 09:39:39 AM »
Re: camera man: I suppose the question is how far do you want to take it. There are certainly things that could be done with a separate camera man that would add value, but if I recall the demos at our club (same as phil stevenson) most people watch the screen (more detail, bigger picture) with the camera not moving around too much. I guess in the end there will be some demonstrators who will hire a hand for the day (or evening), possibly their partners, and if they get it right, this might be worth a little extra.

I think the real benefit is in being able to see demos from places that would otherwise be inaccessible due to excessive travel costs.
BTW, there are lots of companies offering webinars on a similar basis: the teacher/presenter is available, with 2-way-communication, via the internet, and you can connect to that session (after paying your fee). Connection breakdown is actually easy to handle: if the connection breaks on the demonstrator's side, he is liable. If it breaks at the spectator's side, it's their problem. Provides an incentive to get a decent connection.

I don't see this completely replacing traditional demos, but it would certainly open up possibilities that otherwise are just not there.

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Re: Rethinking Woodturning Demonstrations
« Reply #31 on: July 18, 2016, 12:18:44 PM »
I think there is room for it if it is physically impossible to get to watch the person. IE a turner from abroad that you would love to watch. Other than that it would be like watching the Grand Prix on tele, diluted and lacking a lot.

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Re: Rethinking Woodturning Demonstrations
« Reply #32 on: July 18, 2016, 06:21:55 PM »
 Reference the comment from Phiistevenson I have been a Secretary of a woodturning Club for many years also Events Secretary I like to think I do know something about what woodturning club members want to see on club evenings Phil if you are a member of a club what do you like to see? at your club meetings. One other point I am not a Demonstrator but I do not mind paying for the excellent demonstrators we have had the pleasure of hosting. As for bad Mouthing on this thread I have not seen this some people opinions may be stronger than others.
 I cannot imagine anything more boring than watching a live stream of a demonstration at club night many of the comments have come from people with a great deal of experience  having said that could David give us an estimated cost of this system it would be interesting I look forward to your comments.
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Re: Rethinking Woodturning Demonstrations
« Reply #33 on: July 18, 2016, 08:14:41 PM »
The idea of the project from Mr Zenreich is that it is a live video demo therefore no camera man. Those who watched the video presentation will see that the multi screen and camera technology is operated by the demonstrator.

Costs? Vary I guess depending in how far high a spec you go to.Lowest is a new iPhone higher is the sky,s the limit.

If you hold on for a while, the man who can answer all your questions may become a forum member.

By the way it was interesting watching the video again last night.nthe comments re microphone for interaction come In at about 36mins. The q and a session answered a lot of queries.
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Re: Rethinking Woodturning Demonstrations
« Reply #34 on: July 18, 2016, 08:23:49 PM »
John I have been a club (and AWGB) member for 25 years+, including quite a number as a committee member so like you, I too think I have some experience of what members enjoy. Please read my earlier post carefully - I am all for "traditional" demo days but I also see a place for different ways of  experiencing demonstrators' skills; that might include large or intricate turning on specialised equipment not available via carry-in equipment. I am not for "cheap" alternatives, I am all for positively considering modern, interactive transmission techniques - they may well cost more, who knows? I am not about to itemise the agenda of a professional demonstrator's first live remote video feed, I am reacting positively to the concept. As for my other comments, I did not use the words foul mouth, so you might want to consider retracting that accusation, I said bad mouthing. I think I also referred to the comment in question; again, please reread my post.
Unfortunately this thread has gone a bit sour in places and if I have been part of that I'm sorry but I really don't understand why floating a new concept to further the demonstration of our favourite hobby has attracted so many torpedoes without recognising the potential benefits.
That's all I have to say on this thread, it's taken more of my time than it merits.
Over and out.

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Re: Rethinking Woodturning Demonstrations
« Reply #35 on: July 18, 2016, 08:28:02 PM »
Just taken a minute to review some comments made.
Fuzzy turns is right. Live video is used elsewhere. It,s just Woodturning lags behind in using the format.

Paul Hannaby mentions video set up costs.I agree that this is a factor and most turners do not have such a set up already. However the rise of the trio involved with UKIWS shows there are turners out there with such a set up and who attract a significant audience.

Paul also mentions pre recorded video.This must be the worst option as there would be no live feel or interaction, like Mark Sanger says,it would be diluted and lacking a lot.

It will be interesting to see who is the first club to try this out in the uk. It won't be Cheam as we don't have any internet unless we use an alternative venue.


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Re: Rethinking Woodturning Demonstrations
« Reply #36 on: July 18, 2016, 09:25:28 PM »
 
 Phil I have retracted the word Foul and replaced it with Bad I am sorry you think this thread has taken more of your time than it merits well
   
 so be it that is your decision we can all have different opinions and I do respect yours and everyone else's I do hope you read this I expect

 no further comments from you on this thread and I look forward to seeing your next postings.

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Re: Rethinking Woodturning Demonstrations
« Reply #37 on: July 18, 2016, 09:32:52 PM »
Looking at this with an open mind I suppose if you wanted to watch somebody that was not available in another country maybe. I still cannot see how the turner could be the camera man as well .Unless you keep re positioning the camera zooming in and out I think it would be very disruptive with the turner having to stop turning to carry out camera work

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Re: Rethinking Woodturning Demonstrations
« Reply #38 on: July 18, 2016, 09:39:33 PM »
I am all for "traditional" demo days but I also see a place for different ways of  experiencing demonstrators' skills; that might include large or intricate turning on specialised equipment not available via carry-in equipment.


As a spectator at the club level I like to see live demo's and on equipment that the average turner owns, as I see that the idea is to learn new techniques from the demonstrator and not have to go out to buy X or Y just to be able to complete a new area of turning.
All the demonstrators that have visited our club have shown us techniques that can be replicated with tools that the average turner owns.

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Re: Rethinking Woodturning Demonstrations
« Reply #39 on: July 18, 2016, 09:57:42 PM »
This technology is new to the woodturning world but has been use in other areas for a long time.

This would allow clubs to have a live demo via video by a turner who would to expensive to attend the club, I was on the committee of my local club for years and we always looked at the cost, some turners we wanted at the club but we had to say no because of the cost.

Would I be happy to go to the club and see a live demo via a video link by a turner, yes I would if it was the only way to see that person. Its live so if a mistake is made it will be seen, no editing or retakes not like a video being played where mistakes can be removed.  Yes I would rather see the demonstrator in person and at the club.

As a demonstrator would I rather go to a club to demonstrate yes I would, but I know a time will come when a club will ask me if I can demonstrate via a live video link. Would I consider this yes I may in time.   

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Re: Rethinking Woodturning Demonstrations
« Reply #40 on: July 18, 2016, 10:36:38 PM »
Not being technically minded as far as video equipment and the internet are concerned but I can see a day when there is a system in place, a demonstrator in front of a camera, as happens all over the country at th moment, but possibly with the club (by some means) able to control the cameras. It works with CCTV in town centres so I can see it working over a longer distance.
           There would have to be a system where the demonstrator knows when a question has been asked, in my case I am as deaf as a deaf woodturner can be and more so when the lathe is running and I am in mid cut. So that would have to be addressed. Perhaps a demonstrator would be demoing at one club and the club was then responsible for broadcasting it. That could work. But the question of keeping a copy then raises itself again.

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Re: Rethinking Woodturning Demonstrations
« Reply #41 on: August 04, 2016, 02:04:17 PM »
Had a great live video demo from Suffolk to SE London earlier this week. All went well except for the audio on my Skype. Got that sorted and then all was good. Excellent audio, two camera views and stable connection.

Skype also played up this morning on another call to Wales - must upgrade!

If anyone is interested in a 1-2-1 mentoring/advice/chat session over video link or is a demonstrator who wants to try live video demos but doesn't have the studio set-up, pm me and I'll put you in touch with the facility concerned.

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Re: Rethinking Woodturning Demonstrations
« Reply #42 on: August 04, 2016, 11:29:26 PM »
Greetings all, nice to finally be here.

If anyone has questions about my video, or about remote demonstrations, I am happy to chime in.

I am mentoring a few woodturners on doing these types of presentations, and it's been a great experience.

So, if any of you are considering it, feel free to contact me and perhaps I can help get you up and running quickly.

The more demonstrators and clubs that are set up to do and receive these types of program, the better it is for us all.

Regards,
Alan Z.

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Re: Rethinking Woodturning Demonstrations
« Reply #43 on: August 12, 2016, 12:26:34 PM »

Alan,

I notice this is your first post so straight off, welcome to the Forum.

You open your post with

If anyone has questions about my video, or about remote demonstrations, I am happy to chime in.

so is there any chance of a link to this video for us to view please?

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Re: Rethinking Woodturning Demonstrations
« Reply #44 on: August 14, 2016, 01:17:24 AM »
Bryan,

Thanks for the welcome!

The link to the video was in the first message of this discussion thread.

David Buskell was discussing the presentation I gave at the AAW Symposium in Atlanta... about remote presentations.

The video is on YouTube   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnxKFbc0tnk
and on the AAW Vimeo channel    https://vimeo.com/173931450

I have a resource sheet that lists the equipment and software here:   http://www.zenreich.com/xfer/rethinking_demo_resources.pdf

I am happy to answer any questions, and perhaps do some one-on-one mentoring for demonstrators and clubs (I've been doing this quite a bit recently, helping folks get up to speed quickly)

Regards,
Alan Z.