AWGB Woodturning Forum
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Wood spinner on December 20, 2019, 05:22:01 PM
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As above
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Woodturning magazine? Jan 2020. Issue
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We have a winner , Its getting to the point where I may cancel my subscription
as it more like a catalog now :(
I may email Mark Baker but I would think its out of his control as GMC publications want as much revenue as possible
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I think the counter argument is it is a 30 page magazine sponsored by adverts.
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And a vast majority of the adverts are for items not necessarily available in the UK.
Richard
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And a vast majority of the adverts are for items not necessarily available in the UK.
Richard
That is because it is a worldwide read magazine and America is the biggest subscriber to it after the UK.
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Woodturners have been saying this for quite some time it seems a catch 22 situation if you had no Adverts there would be no Magazine
With not been able to get tools etc advertised I wonder if the Turners in other parts of the World say the same this magazine is published in quite a number of other Countries. It also gives some of our professional turners a little bit of help financially for the articles they write and these articles are very informative.
Regards John
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Woodturners have been saying this for quite some time it seems a catch 22 situation if you had no Adverts there would be no Magazine
With not been able to get tools etc advertised I wonder if the Turners in other parts of the World say the same this magazine is published in quite a number of other Countries. It also gives some of our professional turners a little bit of help financially for the articles they write and these articles are very informative.
Regards John
Thanks for writing that John, some very succinct insights.
Les
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Another one worth bearing in mind is that without adverts, the magazine would cost more to buy. Personally I don't mind the adverts, I don't have to read them if I don't want to!
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Another one worth bearing in mind is that without adverts, the magazine would cost more to buy. Personally I don't mind the adverts, I don't have to read them if I don't want to!
...a crucial point, Paul. As one who writes regularly for "Woodturning" I am well aware of the extensive amount of work that goes into the planning and production of a magazine such as this. Articles are planned sometimes 5 or 6 months in advance so as not to clash with other writers' articles of a similar subject. The editorial team juggle a mind-boggling collection of articles, so as to present a well balanced issue each month. Once submitted, articles have to be digitally transferred from the writer's laptop-ramblings into the relevant format, as do the drawings and sketches provided by writers, which have to be painstakingly re-drawn digitally. This all then gets bounced back and forth between the editorial team and each writer until the content is mutually agreed ; it's a painstaking process which pays enormous results - you only have to look at the circulation figures to realise that!
Don't view the frequent advertisements as an annoying intrusion into your reading, but, as Paul says, view them as that content which makes such magazines viable.
I do hope that you don't cancel your subscription, but just be a little more accepting of what it takes to bring a first class publication to you.
Les
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Personally, I find the content to be quite enough reading for the month. More than that and I'd probably end up not reading it all. It is nice to see articles by the professional turners that we meet at club demos, woodturning shows etc as it adds to the "community" in my view.
I also glance at the ads, and find them handy in seeing what's going on in the spinny world - even the American ones which often foretell of something about to arrive here.
Everyone is different, but I find it both interesting and useful - not to suggest that others are wrong in holding a different view of course.
Duncan
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How many times do I need to see a Sorby belt sharpner or a record lathe ?
I have a Sorby sharpener alread got one when they first come out years ago
And I am fortunate to have a far superior lathe
Its the same adds time and time and time and time and time again
A classified section would be good also what members make , unless no-one sends in any content ( I have had a item in the mag some years ago now ), Also in the UK I see no point in listing USA / other country events as I don't think many of us would fly all over the world . Maybe a subscribers competition , something that will change ( In my opinion monotony )
rant over ;D
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And a vast majority of the adverts are for items not necessarily available in the UK.
Richard
That is because it is a worldwide read magazine and America is the biggest subscriber to it after the UK.
Yes, that's right. Mark can't really ignore his second largest market, can he?
You would also be surprised how many Brits get to the shows in the USA and elsewhere. We can't go if we dont know about them, can we?
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A classified section would be good also what members make , unless no-one sends in any content ( I have had a item in the mag some years ago now ), Also in the UK I see no point in listing USA / other country events as I don't think many of us would fly all over the world . Maybe a subscribers competition , something that will change ( In my opinion monotony )
rant over ;D
Doesn't the Woodturning mag regularly publish photos of items turned by members of the woodworkers institute forum? That's open to anyone who wants to participate.
I think the "Woodturning" magazine does carries classified ads but I suspect there aren't many because most people don't want to wait 3 months from insertion to publication to sell their stuff and these days there are faster and easier ways to sell.
Last year there was the "British Woodturner of the Year" competition, which was open to anyone (not just subscribers) but was organised by GMC publications. Alongside that, they also staged the two week exhibition and demonstrations on a variety of woodcrafts at the Oxo gallery in London.
Those who have been in the field long enough will remember there used to be "The woodturner" magazine as well as the "Woodturning" magazine. The publishers of "The Woodturner" decided it wasn't viable any more and merged it with "The Woodworker". GMC have managed to keep the "Woodturning" magazine going so I think you have to give them credit for that.
I don't know of any commercial magazines that don't carry adverts. They are both a service to readers who are interested in related products and a way of part funding the publication but if you aren't interested in the adverts, don't read them! Nobody is forcing you!
Even the AWGB "Revolutions" newsletter carries adverts, which I think is beneficial both for our readers and the association.
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Doesn't the Woodturning mag regularly publish photos of items turned by members of the woodworkers institute forum? That's open to anyone who wants to participate.
It does I post on their forum and have quite a few of my pieces in the "From the Forum" in the magazine
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Fom a personal point of view I sometimes prefer the adverts to the other content, although there is always something to learn from looking at the articles, it can make interesting reading when there is rubbish on the TV. But the adverts are a resource not to be ignored, yes they can be annoying if they are advertising what you already have or will never buy but read between the lines and look past the main advert and sometimes you will find information that is worth remembering, where a supplier is or a stockist for that, just having the knowledge is worth the cost of the magazine on the odd occasion that you need it.
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Well Wood Spinner,
I thought your "Rant" was rather on the selfish side remember there are members new to Woodturning who like to see what is available and the adverts are a good pointer for them to start looking on those advertisers Web sites
also pick up dates of shows so when you started out where did you start getting your information from? ???
Regards John
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Well Wood Spinner,
I thought your "Rant" was rather on the selfish side remember there are members new to Woodturning who like to see what is available and the adverts are a good pointer for them to start looking on those advertisers Web sites
also pick up dates of shows so when you started out where did you start getting your information from? ???
Regards John
Simple , The internet for clubs , also found the AWGB on the web
ebay for used tools and a lathe as I could not afford all new gear ( As in the adverts in WT mag )
Eventually noticed in WH Smithe the WT mag so thought I would give it a go
Noticed at the time a serious lack of H & S as no turners were wearing dust masks or face sheilds , Entered into a email conversation with Mark Baker and at the time the answer was " You cant see the turners face if they wear H&S gear " Thankfully this is now addressed and the responsible thing is now done H&S applied
Tell me again what part was " Selfish " ? :-\
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See if you can find any magazine worth its salt that doesn't have a mass of advertising. How else can they keep going. As said the amount of work that goes into publishing and producing such a magazine is not exactly a days work for someone and cost a lot of money. Personally I think before people criticise the magazine they should look behind the scenes and see just what goes on, how much things cost and maybe look at other magazines for comparison. Try looking at some of the high end design magazines for example and I think you will find that they contain far more adverts proportionally. So often people criticise without actually realising what goes on behind the scenes simnply because it doesn't suit them.
Pete
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See if you can find any magazine worth its salt that doesn't have a mass of advertising. How else can they keep going. As said the amount of work that goes into publishing and producing such a magazine is not exactly a days work for someone and cost a lot of money. Personally I think before people criticise the magazine they should look behind the scenes and see just what goes on, how much things cost and maybe look at other magazines for comparison. Try looking at some of the high end design magazines for example and I think you will find that they contain far more adverts proportionally. So often people criticise without actually realising what goes on behind the scenes simnply because it doesn't suit them.
Pete
Like your self and Les, I have written articles for "The Woodworker" magazine(Wooden model builds) as well as doing the one for the Woodturner magazine in this issue. This is not a 5 minute job even after the article is written as there are the numurous emails back and forth from the publishers of magazines which cost in time in getting them correct. The editor still needs paying as well as the article writer, so the adverts go some way to pay for all of this.