AWGB Woodturning Forum
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: bodrighywood on September 29, 2018, 10:30:58 PM
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I have been trying to find Japanese style hook tool for some time with no success. Michael Hosaluk makes one in thre states and there are pol lathe versions in this coungtry biut both are silly money I was quoted nearly #100 by a certain pole lathe turner. The scandinavuians use a similar ool as well. I use a ring tool a lot to hollow out my goblets and would like t try using a hook tool after seeing it used by japanese turners but not curious enough to fork out that sort of money. Does anyone know of a cheaper source or perhaps has the skill to make one? This (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cc4mD8t-xOs) is the sort of thing I am looking for.
Pete
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Pete, I've no idea where you could buy one of these but have you considered having one forged. The ones the Japanese turner is using look hand forged.
I bought a Nic Westterman spoon carving blade for £35, you want something similar but stronger and with a longer handle, but are capable of sharpening it yourself. So more costly one way and cost savings the other.
Try asking him, or someone else who does forge work. You may need to provide a reasonable working drawing.
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Pete there are hooks for fitting in a holder on this site which is in German. https://www.drechslertreff.net/index.php?page=main They are on the banner that scrolls at the top of the home page. I think they were still quite expensive £50 odd .
Cheers
Michael
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Pete why not make your own? Make a little forge, get some coke and a lump of metal from the scrap yard, an old leaf spring would do it I expect, heat it up and beat it out. I do it for some of the smaller tools that I make for myself for particular jobs. The tool shop in town sell small anvils and that is all you need.
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I think the Toolpost sell hook tools - or they used to.
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Pete I will have a look for you at the seminar.
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I haven't done any metal work since school John something I do regret. Thanks for the offer of looking at the deminar. Had a look at Toolpost Paul and couldn't see any that were what I was looking for, swan necked tools and the ring tools that I already use nowt else that I could see.
The bgerman ones are expensive and would need a specialised handle by the look of it. Wouldn't think such a basic simple tool would be so difficult to get hold of LOL.
Pete
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We had a demostrator by the name of Chris Perkins at the club recentlt. Chris does green woodworking and makes and sell tools. He sometimes works out of Bradfield wods. Send me a PM and I will giveyu his email
The tools I have seen look to be excellent.
Ron
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Hi Pete
You may be interested to hear about my friend 'Hooky':-
Umpteen years ago I watched a scandy-navy-n bloke doing magic things with a hook tool at an exhibition. I came straight home, sourced a piece of silver steel and forged my own version using a gas torch for heat and a lump hammer as an anvil (be careful not to let the 2 hammers collide or shrapnel will fly!!!!) and that's when the frustration started. I had no idea how I should grind the cutting edge and only had sketchy memories of how the tool should actually cut. Never did master it, I bit the bullet and lashed out on the first of many store-bought hollowing tools.
Hooky has hung forlornly ignored in a dark corner of the workshop ever since.
I'm out on the Norfolk coast if you want to visit, meet, study or discuss Hooky. I'd even consider swapping him for a charity donation if you can offer him a good home and still fancy continuing down my abandoned path after reading this.
All the best
Brian
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Pete I never saw one at the show, sorry.
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That's OK John thanks anyway. Sounds like you were pretty busy anyway. Got a coupleof leads to follow on.
Pete
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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Professional-Wood-Carving-Hand-Chisels-Tools-2pcs-Set-Woodworking-Lathe-Gouges/153210608283?hash=item23ac105a9b:g:3IkAAOSwFCpbuzIO
Any good ?
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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Professional-Wood-Carving-Hand-Chisels-Tools-2pcs-Set-Woodworking-Lathe-Gouges/153210608283?hash=item23ac105a9b:g:3IkAAOSwFCpbuzIO
Any good ?
Right sort of shape but these are spoon carving tools and not really strong enough for use on a lathe. Thanks for the thought though.
Pete
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Hi Pete,
Try David Woodward he is a member of the AWGB he lives in the Isle of Wight he was a great friend of a very famous woodturner who sadly passed away he might have some ideas for you.
Regards John
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Hello Pete,
I saw Mike Hosaluk demo hook tools at the seminar. He had several different types. General consensus in the room was that the german made, Weidmann Cranked Hook Tools were very good. I got the impression that the end piece could be purchased for fitting into a bar which might already be had. Buying the whole lot looks like silly money. Asmund Vignes demoed ring tools to great effect. Stuff I might never use but stored (for the moment) in the memory bank.
A couple of years ago I did a pole lathe day with Sharif Adams down in Devon. He makes his own tools and gives lessons on tool making so that you might make your own.
ATB John
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I use a ring tool a lot both on goblets and smaller bowls. Gwet a good finish from it but it does get bunged up a lot hence the idea of using a hook tool which in essence is hakf a ring tool LOL. I have seen the german ones but couldn't see how you used them as they seemed to just be an end section with no obvious way of putting them onto a handle. Need to go back perhaps and look again. I think it's Mike Hosaluk who makes them in the US but again shipping makes them too expensive.
pete
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Now that statement becomes slightly annoying.
Mike Hosaluk was demonstrating at the AWGB Seminar and he had hooks for sale but knowing you were looking for a Japanese Hook I never thought to grab one for you - sorry.
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Just a thought and I have never tried this so don't fully know the dangers involved but what if you were to cut away part of your ring tool? I realise the stresses then become changed but would they be changed so much as to make the tool dangerous? I know the hook tool is a slightly different shape but perhaps ......who knows? I still favour making one Pete.
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Interested in this thread I have just looked at a page about Robin Wood. On there he mentions that the hook tool that pole lathe turners use is too delicate for use on a powered lathe and if so used may well break. Not being an expert on this I cannot comment but food for thought Pete.
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The ones used on a pole lathe are subject to less stress, probably why he (Robin) quoted me a big price to make one. I actually have an old ring tool, could grind the back off and see if it works wearing full safety gear to do so LOL. Seriously it is worth a go. Just as a pont of interest, the japanese ones seem to be backwards as they turn bowls on the far side, the upstroke as it were in the videos I have seen. If I had the know how I would consider making one but I am about as ignorant as is possible regarding metal work.
Pete
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Hello Pete,
ref "but it does get bunged up a lot"
Asmund Vignes had a ring tool sharpened on both edges. He starts the cut in the centre of the piece. As the ring fills with shavings he then flips the tool over to complete the cut and remove the shavings in one hit ! Is your ring tool the open type or shielded type ?
ATB John
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Hi John,
The ring tool that I have is open but a different diameter each side. I usually use the larger diameter. Both are edged. Like this
The one that Asmund Vignes uses is similar but I find the smaller bevel difficult to get a cut with.
Pete
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Hi again Pete I mentioned in an earlier posting check with David Woodward he has now put a video on Face book of a
Japanese Woodturner Yasuhiro Satake who was demonstrating at the 2009 AWGB Seminar using Hook Tools he was fantastic
and could do anything with these tools it is worth watching this man was a great friend of David.
Regards John
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I have seen the video and one or two others over the years and they are what picqued my interest. Not sure about cutting on the opposite side mind. I find oriental art and craft a major inspiration. both in design and technique. Learning to use a minimum of tools and equipment appeals.
pete
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Hi Pete, I was talking to Mark Sanger yesterday and the subject of the hook tool came up in conversation. He seems to think that the tool is still available and just to prove it pulled one out of his box. I thought of you straight away, he did say that he would ring you but you could of course ring him next week (or tomorrow I suppose) as he is up in Mid Wales today ( Sunday ). Julian
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Thanks Julian. I have been chatting to Andy Coates and he put me onto a german make that looks good. See how that works out.
Pete
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Thanks Julian. I have been chatting to Andy Coates and he put me onto a german make that looks good. See how that works out.
Pete
Perhaps this would be a good demo for the club if you get one Pete?
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Let me make sure I can use it first John LOL. Bernard has asked me to demonstrate goblets next month so if I get it in time I might be able to use it then. I'll be using the ring tool anyway.
Pete
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Where would this Demo be Pete ?
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Our local club in Trowbridge.
Pete
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There's also the Martel hook tool (https://www.magma-tools.com/de/onlineshop/drechseln/drechseleisen/martel-hook-tool/martel-ausdrehhaken-groesse-1-martel-haken-79740x48424.html).
I've never used it but have been tempted in the past to buy one
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Hi
Is this the type of tool a wood bodger uses to create a bowl ?
Looks a bit like sheperds crook gone wrong?
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Sort of but the one used by the bodgers on a pole lathe is not really strong enough to juse on a powered lathe. Managed to get one from a german company Andy Coates recommended. Just got back from a show so haven't had a chance to try it out yet though. Still unpacking the van LOL.
pete