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Title: Marks Sanger's book - Turning Hollow Forms
Post by: Les Symonds on October 16, 2013, 06:32:37 AM
I just noticed that Mark has a new book being published early next year. Entitled Turning Hollow Forms: First Steps: Techniques and Projects, Amazon have it available to pre-order, via this link...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Turning-Hollow-Forms-Techniques-Projects/dp/162710027X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1381901250&sr=8-1&keywords=turning+hollow+forms
I've ordered my copy this morning and Amazon are quoting 27th March as an approximate delivery date....what on earth am I going to do until then?

Les
Title: Re: Marks Sanger's book - Turning Hollow Forms
Post by: Bryan Milham on October 16, 2013, 09:17:15 AM
I don't know about you Les, but I managed to get on a 2 day course with Mark Sanger & George Fowraker last week on making Hollowforms. A fantastic opertunity to learn and question the techniques and processes they use. I learned lots...

...now just need to practice it, right after I've finish rebuilding the Kitchen, bathroom and all the making good after the work we've had done.
Title: Re: Marks Sanger's book - Turning Hollow Forms
Post by: Les Symonds on October 16, 2013, 12:14:51 PM
Hi Bryan...thanks for the suggestion. I'm seriously thinking of  enrolling for a course like the one you referred to, but it's going to have to be in the spring next year. At the moment I've got too many commitments with work and home, but would love to attend one.

Les
Title: Re: Marks Sanger's book - Turning Hollow Forms
Post by: Bryan Milham on October 16, 2013, 06:26:09 PM
Les,

No pressure but I waited about 8 months from announcing they were to do a combined course to it being run. Both teach individually but it was getting them together that was the clincher for me.

Mark is on the forum (George left), bounce him an e-mail and ask him if/when they are thinking of running another and if he would be good enough to let you know once bookings were being taken.
Title: Re: Marks Sanger's book - Turning Hollow Forms
Post by: Les Symonds on October 16, 2013, 09:01:57 PM
Hi Bryan....have PM'd you re this.

Les
Title: Re: Marks Sanger's book - Turning Hollow Forms
Post by: Mark Sanger on October 18, 2013, 05:45:33 PM
Thank you for the mention Les. I am very pleased with the content of the book and look forward to it being released. Now I just have to wait for feedback  :-X

Obviously I am not allowed to advertise on the forum but if you want info ref courses email me or George.

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Marks Sanger's book - Turning Hollow Forms
Post by: PhilipS on February 13, 2014, 12:14:19 AM
I see the book is now published - surprised that it discounted so much on release. Hope no-one has pre-ordered at full price. I've ordered mine from Amazon on this link, great value at a fiver.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=turning+hollow+forms (http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=turning+hollow+forms)

Philip
Title: Re: Marks Sanger's book - Turning Hollow Forms
Post by: woodndesign on February 13, 2014, 01:10:57 AM

 :o ... £5:00 ... an he's a wife and family to support .. Robbers .. Know it cut throat these days .. but a fiver.. what's Mark's margin, the small change.

From Mark it should be a good read and informative.
Title: Re: Marks Sanger's book - Turning Hollow Forms
Post by: Bryan Milham on February 13, 2014, 08:31:35 AM
Yeah, £5 for a 'Used Book' when it's not even released yet!

Methinks that the shop selling them has a script to catch searches and show available stock, even when it has none.

I'd like to see them supply against a customer order.
Title: Re: Marks Sanger's book - Turning Hollow Forms
Post by: PhilipS on February 13, 2014, 11:26:20 AM
Dr4g0nfly, I don't know where you got the idea of a fiver "used" - it is supplied by Amazon new. Two other suppliers are offering it at around £7.50 new as well. Both of which I have ordered from before.

The retail price is decided by the wholesale price so the criticism should be directed to the publisher who may be offloading it cheaply.

As far as I am aware the author gets a percentage of the wholesale value from this publisher but this may be an incorrect assumption.

I apologise for drawing attention to readers here that they could save some money. The price does not affect the value of the information in the book.

Philip
Title: Re: Marks Sanger's book - Turning Hollow Forms
Post by: Mark Sanger on February 13, 2014, 12:32:01 PM
Hi all

Thank you for the update and info.

The low price of £5 is something I picked up on about a week ago together with several other mistakes on Amazon in relation to the description, all of which have been highlighted with the publishers.

The background to the situation for which I have been waiting an update on by the publishers is as below.

It appears to be an error by Amazon or they are selling it deliberately at a loss, for which they have been contacted.

Amazon I believe discount by 50% initially after which they put it up nearer to the RRP, but never fully.

Either way the price sold on Amazon in no way will affect me or the publishers or the cost it has been sold on to distributors such as Amazon.

No doubt Amazon will have received a reasonable discount for the books as they are such a large company, that's just business but then they will sell a huge amount compared to smaller concerns. This of course I am not privy to but it is how the world goes round.

So if I were you I would 'fill your boots' as they say, as you may find the price will go up soon as the wheels are in motion. Either way it does not effect me so I can continue to eat baked beans a couscous for a bit longer.  :)

I am very pleased with the book and how it has been set out and to date have had great feedback.

So get your orders in quick if you want to save a few quid.

In relation to the other companies and the second hand copies see here http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/1861088930/ref=sr_1_1_olp?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1392294215&sr=1-1&keywords=mark+sanger&condition=used (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/1861088930/ref=sr_1_1_olp?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1392294215&sr=1-1&keywords=mark+sanger&condition=used) there are only a few of these left on Amazon, there was one even selling a supposedly 'Collectors Edition', when no such thing has been printed.

I guess it is just the BS of the internet, companies trying to pull in people to look at their shop as it has not been released as yet.

The other version at £15 is the one printed for the American market so the spelling is different this is another of the errors as it should not even be displayed on Amazon.UK





 
Title: Re: Marks Sanger's book - Turning Hollow Forms
Post by: John D Smith on February 13, 2014, 09:43:54 PM
Hi Mark,
          Just checked on Amazon price now £14:08 free delivery.It is the early bird that catches the Worm ??? :o Regards John

                                       
Title: Re: Marks Sanger's book - Turning Hollow Forms
Post by: edbanger on February 13, 2014, 11:19:42 PM
I've just ordered one at a fiver +2.75 delivery

Ed

Title: Re: Marks Sanger's book - Turning Hollow Forms
Post by: woodndesign on February 17, 2014, 06:09:07 PM

The book NEW for £5:00 is via Amazon EU Sàrl ... well that's what it said on my order...  might need to learn French.. again..  ;D .. if EU ..





Title: Re: Marks Sanger's book - Turning Hollow Forms
Post by: julcle on February 18, 2014, 11:56:10 AM
I already have a smattering of french so should be ok, it's due to arrive today ( Tuesday 18th )
Title: Re: Marks Sanger's book - Turning Hollow Forms
Post by: woodndesign on February 18, 2014, 12:14:44 PM
Quote from: julcle on February 18, 2014, 11:56:10 AM
I already have a smattering of french so should be ok, it's due to arrive today ( Tuesday 18th )

My delivery said not till March 3rd .. Odd Publication Date states 7 Feb 2014 ... To other orders would be by 21st this month.

Well ... when it comes, it comes .. :D .. just a check it was £5:00 + p&p.. an that (p&p) was not £10:00+..  :o .. as E-boot can do at times.. I know only to well from our mailing, rates are dear.. but some can charge over the top... too make up on a cheap sale price.

Cheers  David

Title: Re: Marks Sanger's book - Turning Hollow Forms
Post by: Paul Hannaby on February 18, 2014, 03:12:27 PM
If you spend more than £10 with Amazon the postage is free so you could have bought a second copy for another £2.25!
Title: Re: Marks Sanger's book - Turning Hollow Forms
Post by: The Bowler Hatted Turner on February 18, 2014, 04:50:57 PM
David add another copy and I will buy it off you.
Title: Re: Marks Sanger's book - Turning Hollow Forms
Post by: Les Symonds on February 18, 2014, 06:32:20 PM
Mine arrived today....know what I'll be reading for the next day or two

Les
Title: Re: Marks Sanger's book - Turning Hollow Forms
Post by: woodndesign on February 18, 2014, 06:44:27 PM
Quote from: The Bowler Hatted Turner on February 18, 2014, 04:50:57 PM
David add another copy and I will buy it off you.

It came to the £10:00, but as it's different delivery dates .. just might charge one postage, like said will check.. postage is far from cheap these day's and few take into account packing time nor the packaging ... my time, I wonder, at times I'm working for free..
Title: Re: Marks Sanger's book - Turning Hollow Forms
Post by: woodndesign on February 18, 2014, 07:17:59 PM
Quote from: gwyntog on February 18, 2014, 06:32:20 PM
Mine arrived today....know what I'll be reading for the next day or two

Les

Soon see you turning ..  ;D .. out some hollow forms then, Les. more then usual.

It's always good to read/see how it should be done and Mark is the exponent here... like most when you're self taught ... in the beginning every bookcase had/has Keith Rowley, we differ today with a lot more resources and opportunities to learn, yet there is always room for a good book.

If they originally quoted you March 27th ... Wonder then, mine may come sooner.

Cheers   Dewi

PS ... What has anybody read lately, interesting or not, how about a topic of a short written review.
Title: Re: Marks Sanger's book - Turning Hollow Forms
Post by: julcle on February 18, 2014, 07:54:28 PM
Well - mine was waiting for me when I got home tonight. £5 for the book and £2.50 postage, it was brand new and in English and in a new Postage Pack. That's pretty good service for a weekend order, I haven't had time to read it closely but for someone like me that has only played with hollowing and kept the house warm with the results it looks like a really good book full of hints tips and knowledge. Thank you Mark.
Julian
Title: Re: Marks Sanger's book - Turning Hollow Forms
Post by: Mark Sanger on February 20, 2014, 02:56:35 PM
Hi Julian

Thank you for your comments, I hope you enjoy it.
Title: Re: Marks Sanger's book - Turning Hollow Forms
Post by: edbanger on February 20, 2014, 06:50:19 PM
Well mine turned up yesterday and in English, Mark what a Great Book I've had a quick flick through and will read from cover a few times before I go and make some more wood shavings.

Ed
Title: Re: Marks Sanger's book - Turning Hollow Forms
Post by: woodndesign on February 22, 2014, 04:04:46 PM
It's Here !! ... It's Here !! ... It's Here !! ... It's Here !! ... It's Here !! ... It's Here !! ... It's Here !! ... It's Here !! ... It's Here !! ... It's Here !! ... It's Here !! ... It's Here !! ... It's Here !! ... It's Here !! ... It's Here !! ... It's Here !! ...


Well... before March for delivery.. so far it's a good read ... Long time since I've bought a book, an I consider the print has got on the smaller size, to me... it however does not detract from the quality of the subject.

To those familiar with both Mark's work and his writing on the subject, the book is of the same format pictorial to the Woodturning Magazine, as book is from the Guild of Master Craftsman Publications. Yet is a wealth of information beyond the Hollow Form itself, with Workshop, understanding timber and the different Tools used.

There's a short personal Dedication, equally short Introduction, yet mention of those who have/had an huge influence on his Turning, as with following them, Mark now with this book, sets out to Influence the next generation... and those who still endeavor to create the HF.

I look forward to continuing reading.

Cheers   David
Title: Re: Marks Sanger's book - Turning Hollow Forms
Post by: Bryan Milham on February 24, 2014, 07:45:31 PM
And mine arrived today.

I've done the hollowing course with Mark, he gives away a multipage handout with the course. This is everything he taught and more, and I can access the information at need.

Well worth the £17 asking price - even if we are only paying £5.
Title: Re: Marks Sanger's book - Turning Hollow Forms
Post by: woodndesign on February 24, 2014, 09:04:02 PM
Quote from: dr4g0nfly on February 24, 2014, 07:45:31 PM
And mine arrived today.

I've done the hollowing course with Mark, he gives away a multipage handout with the course. This is everything he taught and more, and I can access the information at need.

Well worth the £17 asking price - even if we are only paying £5.

Yep Bryan, spot on, any book, albeit can be along read, will give instant access to information, than trying to sort through a DVD on a subject.

I've yet to start the in depth details on the tools.

Cheers    David

Title: Re: Marks Sanger's book - Turning Hollow Forms
Post by: Bryan Milham on February 25, 2014, 09:44:51 PM
I hope we all got our copy, Amazon is showing as sold out - must be a Number 1 best seller.
Title: Re: Marks Sanger's book - Turning Hollow Forms
Post by: Les Symonds on February 25, 2014, 09:55:55 PM
Now here's a thing!! Several months ago, when I started this thread, I placed a copy on order with Amazon and waited for them to tell me that it had been published. The next thing you know, it gets published but Amazon don't tell me, so I order a copy and pay my £5 plus postage. Several days later, when it's out of stock, Amazon send me an email saying that my book has just been published and they're sending me a copy for just under £14. Needless to say, I cancelled the pre-order.
I always looked upon Amazon as a worthy sort of company....now I have my doubts.
Les
Title: Re: Marks Sanger's book - Turning Hollow Forms
Post by: woodndesign on February 25, 2014, 10:19:06 PM
Quote from: dr4g0nfly on February 25, 2014, 09:44:51 PM
I hope we all got our copy, Amazon is showing as sold out - must be a Number 1 best seller.


I'm just wondering should this be a limited edition print 1st edition .. bang mine on E-boot for £30:00 ...  ;D ..

You were wise there, Les. Try anything Amazon will, we wondered how they'd been selling it for the fiver .. since when have they got the call to what is published and for how much ..  :o .. Like you how many others, not knowing it was up for the £5 .. have been done on the Pre-order price... or had Amazon dropped the ball .. with the £5:00 ..

We'll hear from Mark once he's back from his pre-launch sales holiday .. must have raked in a packet ..  ;D ..

Cheers


Title: Re: Marks Sanger's book - Turning Hollow Forms
Post by: The Bowler Hatted Turner on February 26, 2014, 10:12:58 AM
Just about to pop into town, the first time in ages, so will go in the book shop and order Mark's book.
  Waterstones so should be very efficient.
I will let you know how I get on.
Title: Re: Marks Sanger's book - Turning Hollow Forms
Post by: woodndesign on March 06, 2014, 08:21:58 PM
Quote from: The Bowler Hatted Turner on February 26, 2014, 10:12:58 AM
Just about to pop into town, the first time in ages, so will go in the book shop and order Mark's book.
  Waterstones so should be very efficient.
I will let you know how I get on.

Well... What happened..


Title: Re: Marks Sanger's book - Turning Hollow Forms
Post by: The Bowler Hatted Turner on March 07, 2014, 08:05:08 AM
(In a Jethro accent)...Well what happened was......(stop the Jethro accent) ;D ;D ;D
I gave the nice lady in the shop all the information, ISBN  etc. bear in mind I have ordered books for turning from them before, so she told me they can order it from their suppliers.......................in America!!
   Telling her I knew the author and he lived probably less than 60 miles from where we were stood at the time did not phase her at all, she just said "that is the way we work these days".
       As it happens arrangements are being made for me to gain a copy through other channels for which I am very grateful but the fact remains, you try to support your local bookshop and this is what happens!
(In a Jethro accent) Just as well the author don't live in Camborne seeing as how it were a Wednesday!(No more Jethro accents I promise)
Title: Re: Marks Sanger's book - Turning Hollow Forms
Post by: Derek on March 07, 2014, 08:23:14 AM
Quote from: The Bowler Hatted Turner on March 07, 2014, 08:05:08 AM
(In a Jethro accent)...Well what happened was......(stop the Jethro accent) ;D ;D ;D
I gave the nice lady in the shop all the information, ISBN  etc. bear in mind I have ordered books for turning from them before, so she told me they can order it from their suppliers.......................in America!!
   Telling her I knew the author and he lived probably less than 60 miles from where we were stood at the time did not phase her at all, she just said "that is the way we work these days".
       As it happens arrangements are being made for me to gain a copy through other channels for which I am very grateful but the fact remains, you try to support your local bookshop and this is what happens!
(In a Jethro accent) Just as well the author don't live in Camborne seeing as how it were a Wednesday!(No more Jethro accents I promise)

Make sure they order the correct one http://www.bookdepository.com/search?searchTerm=Turning+Hollow+Forms%3A+Techniques+and+Projects&search=Find+book (http://www.bookdepository.com/search?searchTerm=Turning+Hollow+Forms%3A+Techniques+and+Projects&search=Find+book)
Title: Re: Marks Sanger's book - Turning Hollow Forms
Post by: The Bowler Hatted Turner on March 11, 2014, 08:48:24 PM
Mark's book turned up today so I took it over the shop for a read. I have found it very well written and the pictures are very good too. I like the chapter about design and form and I think the silhouettes that you can copy are an inspired idea.
 I have told Mark that it ought to come with a health warning 'cos I just want to go back down the workshop and turn some more.
Regards
John BHT
Title: Re: Marks Sanger's book - Turning Hollow Forms
Post by: John D Smith on March 11, 2014, 08:56:37 PM
Hi I have just looked on Amazon Marks book (used) Now from £46:00. Regards John

The above was clicking on the link in the original posting I have just gone direct to Amazon and it is £5 sorry about confusion 
Title: Re: Marks Sanger's book - Turning Hollow Forms
Post by: woodndesign on March 11, 2014, 09:04:14 PM
Quote from: The Bowler Hatted Turner on March 07, 2014, 08:05:08 AM
(In a Jethro accent)...Well what happened was......(stop the Jethro accent) ;D ;D ;D

(In a Jethro accent) Just as well the author don't live in Camborne seeing as how it were a Wednesday!(No more Jethro accents I promise)

 :o ..  ::) ... Everyone knows Ya' take the Bus to Red-rooth and walk the rest of the way'...   :D .. on a Wednesday ..


Title: Re: Marks Sanger's book - Turning Hollow Forms
Post by: John D Smith on March 13, 2014, 01:21:16 PM
Hi everyone,

                  I have today received Mark Sangers new book a quick perusal it is great I cannot wait to sit down nice and quiet and indulge myself.

  Mark the only problem it out of date as you have had a revamp in your workshop LOL nice and tidy as well.

                                                     Regards John