AWGB Woodturning Forum
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Wood spinner on May 12, 2021, 05:57:13 PM
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Wow how much :o
Blimey the prices are very high indeed , Also the easy chucks
What do you think ?
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Apart from the chucks are there any tools in particular that you like that seem expensive?
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Not only are some of their tools expensive but remember you will have to pay import duty AND VAT on anythiing purchased from the USA, in addition to the shipping costs.
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There were two notable US turning tool companies products that were sold by the Toolpost before they closed. Carter & Son Toolworks (HSS) and Hunter tools (Carbide). Hunter tools now have a European distributor. https://www.huntertoolseurope.com/
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No different re: the EU now. Thanks to Brexit we no longer have free trade so are subject to the same tariffs as non EU countures. I don't sell to them anymore as costs can double by the time the custpmer recieves the article and if it is sent back I have to pay.
Pete
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If you go to the website the tools are priced in pounds. If you select a tool the only addition seems to be post and packing at £7. Without completing the checkout process it’s impossible to tell but there is no mention of import duty or tax etc. I’m not interested in buying the tools as I make my own but if anyone is interested there is a contact tab to ask about VAT etc.
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I have sold to the states without any problem before, not bought from them though.
Pete
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If you go to the website the tools are priced in pounds. If you select a tool the only addition seems to be post and packing at £7. Without completing the checkout process it’s impossible to tell but there is no mention of import duty or tax etc. I’m not interested in buying the tools as I make my own but if anyone is interested there is a contact tab to ask about VAT etc.
In my recent experience the items are held by the carrier until the import fees are paid.
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It depends on the supplier. Since January 1st 2021 suppliers have been invited to register with HM customs and collect VAT at source for goods up to £135. This is what eBay are doing.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/changes-to-vat-treatment-of-overseas-goods-sold-to-customers-from-1-january-2021/changes-to-vat-treatment-of-overseas-goods-sold-to-customers-from-1-january-2021
This concept is not actually new and some US suppliers have been offering to collect the VAT at source. This avoids having to pay the collection fee that couriers charge.
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There were two notable US turning tool companies products that were sold by the Toolpost before they closed. Carter & Son Toolworks (HSS) and Hunter tools (Carbide). Hunter tools now have a European distributor. https://www.huntertoolseurope.com/
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re the quote above from Bill:
I'll add a few comments on this in my role as the UK Director for Hunter Tool Systems (Europe) Ltd. Our stock is manufactured in the USA and imported to our UK subsidiary - HTS(E) Ltd. We have to pay import duty and Import VAT @ 20% on all stock transferred from the USA to our UK warehouse.
I would suggest that other companies may have different charges to pay, depending on their trading relationship with their UK distribution partner.
Other manufacturers use different means to get their product to market, including that well-known major Online store. BTW, I visited the particular manufacturer's stand mentioned at the head of this thread at the AAW Symposium and I felt that the prices for the chucks were high, even in US$ and at show prices.
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Wow how much :o
Blimey the prices are very high indeed , Also the easy chucks
What do you think ?
The chuck is only a part of the price, The jaws are also expensive compared to other brands, it is not hard to use an alternative chuck and jaw set and have 3 or 4 chucks with jaws mounted for the same price as a quick change chuck and 4 sets of jaws. It is a new technology that probably has some development cost to recover, but I think you have to either be very rich, or really be uncertain which jaws to use to justify the cost.
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David, can you edit your post so it doesn’t look like I work for Hunter Tools please.
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Bill,
Certainly. I used the quote facility to paste your original message so please blame the system!
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Bill,
Done.
David
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Ta. :)
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Apart from the chucks are there any tools in particular that you like that seem expensive?
One company that advertises in the woodturning mag is selling a pen mandrel for £140 :o
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I saw that ad as well. Peter Sefton's Wood Workers Workshop is shown as the UK dealer. I gather they are having stock issues over in the US and not able to ship until late 2021.
Import duty, VAT and dealer margin would probably increase that US$ price considerably.
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Apart from the chucks are there any tools in particular that you like that seem expensive?
One company that advertises in the woodturning mag is selling a pen mandrel for £140 :o
The last time I turned a Pen I used an ER32 Collet Chuck with a suitable size collet and a length of silver steel. The total cost at the time was about £20.
You can still get an MT2 ER25 chuck on the auction site for about £15 so no need to buy anything more expensive. I do recommend you use a Pen Centre though.
https://www.chronos.ltd.uk/product-category/woodworking-tools-equipment/sct-woodworking-chucks-centres-faceplates/sct-pen-centre/
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Apart from the chucks are there any tools in particular that you like that seem expensive?
One company that advertises in the woodturning mag is selling a pen mandrel for £140 :o
The last time I turned a Pen I used an ER32 Collet Chuck with a suitable size collet and a length of silver steel. The total cost at the time was about £20.
You can still get an MT2 ER25 chuck on the auction site for about £15 so no need to buy anything more expensive. I do recommend you use a Pen Centre though.
https://www.chronos.ltd.uk/product-category/woodworking-tools-equipment/sct-woodworking-chucks-centres-faceplates/sct-pen-centre/
OK thanks , My tailstock is 3 MT , do they do a 3 MT or will I need a 2 - 3 adaptor ?
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I’ve only seen them in 2MT so you’ll have to have a look around to see if anyone else makes them in 3MT.
Edit:
Axminster list them in MT3 but say they only have a few left so I guess they’re not making them for much longer? Best be quick if you want one.
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I saw that ad as well. Peter Sefton's Wood Workers Workshop is shown as the UK dealer. I gather they are having stock issues over in the US and not able to ship until late 2021.
Import duty, VAT and dealer margin would probably increase that US$ price considerably.
One reason for that exorbitant price is that when stocks run out and the company cannot fill an order they put the prices high to deter people from ordrering, when stocks do arrive the seller does not know how much they have to pay untill that point