AWGB Woodturning Forum
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: GBF on September 27, 2015, 07:58:10 AM
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Several weeks ago a woman rang me and said she wanted to book her husband in for two days tuition on a Saturday and Sunday. I told her I do not do tuition on a Sunday but would be quite happy to do a Friday and Saturday.
her reply was that he did not want to lose a days pay by having Friday off. I suggested he took the Friday as one of his holiday days.
No he did not want to do that so she is going to try somewhere else Good luck to her I don't know anybody that works Sundays doing woodturning tuition.
Why would somebody expect me to give up my Sunday by working for the same money .Because it is a hobby to them do they assume it is a hobby to me and I want to do it seven days a week.
I will do everything I can to accommodate students but I am not making myself a slave to it there has to be some give and take.
Moan over would you expect a pro turner to give up his Sundays to teach or am I being selfish.
Regards George
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I do work Sundays doing shows sometimes but agree that tuition on a Sunday would be a no no. Personally I find that being self employed I tend to grab days off as and when possible but try to keep Sundays free whenever possible.
Pete
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In most jobs if you work on a weekend you get payed extra maybe I should have said to her I will work Sunday if you pay me double time.I wonder how that would have gone down.
Regards George
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In most jobs if you work on a weekend you get payed extra maybe I should have said to her I will work Sunday if you pay me double time.I wonder how that would have gone down.
Regards George
Not sure if that still works George, double time seems to have disappeared in a lot of jobs nowadays. No harm in trying if it happens again though, nothing to lose and everything to gain. If we charged the same sort of rate as plumbers electricians etc charge we would be doing well wouldn't we LOL.
Pete
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I think you are being totally unreasonable George , I mean you get paid AND expect time off? I would have thought that out of the kindness of your heart you would've paid that poor man his daily pay for the Friday so that he can come and learn from you. How else do you expect him in the coming months to be able to set up shop with poorly made items to sell that he only prices to cover the timber costs?
Sometimes George I despair, you obviously have no committment to advancing the craft of woodturning whatsoever! It wouldn't surprise me if you expect to eat everyday this coming month. Some people!!Huh!!!
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;D ;D ;D
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shouldn't worry about it George, the way things are going Sunday will be a work day and Friday will be the day off.
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George ..... Have you told your Susan that there is no need to Cook Sunday Lunch. :P
Di..T
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I used to be a self employed Dental Technician George,never liked working Sundays,but in the Dental trade you just had to at times because of the amount of work coming in there was no way of avoiding it,and no double time either as it was all peacework ,priced per item made as woodturning is.If I was a professional woodturner I think I would have to state in my adverts/website that I didn`t/wouldn`t work sundays,just so people knew exactly where they stood before they tried booking,as it would save any embarrassing moments like you have just been through with this lady,Regards,
Eric.
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would you expect a pro turner to give up his Sundays to teach or am I being selfish.
I assume you are charging people for your tuition ? so how how are you 'giving up a Sunday' ?
As someone who is presumably self employed you have complete control of when you work and how much you charge, religious obligations aside.
As a potential client of woodturning tuition myself, I'm amazed at how inflexible some places are. At the same time I'm also amazed at how ridiculously cheap some courses are.
Maybe you'd find people happy to pay a lot more for courses at weekends that suit them. In turn you might find it better to work a weekend and have free days midweek in return for much greater profit. Entirely your choice.
As an aside; My field of work is 365 days a year and any extra payments for weekend working went in the last century. Only Christmas day itself attracts a higher rate.
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I wouldn't expect anyone to work Sundays.
it is however a personal choice. Many work Sundays and have other days off.
I never work Sundays and it's that simple. Sunday is the day I spend precious time with my wife. ( and family if they are around). Being self employed doesn't have many perks now but choosing what days you work is one of them. Having said this I do not demonstrate or give tuition, 95% of my work is to the trade so working weekends is not necessary.
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would you expect a pro turner to give up his Sundays to teach or am I being selfish.
I assume you are charging people for your tuition ? so how how are you 'giving up a Sunday' ?
As someone who is presumably self employed you have complete control of when you work and how much you charge, religious obligations aside.
As a potential client of woodturning tuition myself, I'm amazed at how inflexible some places are. At the same time I'm also amazed at how ridiculously cheap some courses are.
Maybe you'd find people happy to pay a lot more for courses at weekends that suit them. In turn you might find it better to work a weekend and have free days midweek in return for much greater profit. Entirely your choice.
As an aside; My field of work is 365 days a year and any extra payments for weekend working went in the last century. Only Christmas day itself attracts a higher rate.
well said.
i work when i feel like it and this is usually when i'm bored or just have work to do but i don't care what day it is and i'm happy to accommodate the customers requirements which usually means a weekend as unless they are retired they work 9-5 mon-fri.
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i'm happy to accommodate the customers requirements which usually means a weekend as unless they are retired they work 9-5 mon-fri.
Not a reliable assumption to make now, lots of people work flexible days/hours. However many of the people with good amounts of disposable income do work M-F so it's a potential clientèle base not to be dismissed.
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I don't work Sundays , it is a family day. Even though I too charge for my time the nice thing about being self employed is that I work when I decide and not when people want me to, at least not unless I am getting double time as I use to when being employed and even then I probably wouldn't as I would rather spend time with my family and friends over a good meal and a few glasses of my favorite. You will soon forget the money but not the family time.
It is more simple I guess for those without family to spend time with or having a family that is not so important to spend time with. !! When money is your god.
Being flexible being self employed is for me, and not the other way around. One of the benefits offsetting the negatives.
Very rarely do I get asked to teach on a Sunday, in fact can't remember the last time and despite not offering this Sunday service I am now having to turn down work for tuition.
Each of us are different for our wants and needs, but if people can not organise themselves for 6 days out of 7 then please don't call me. :)
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I spent about 30 years working long days and 7 day weeks much of it away from home and hardly saw my kids grow up.
I probably would not change anything but I do sometimes wonder if it was all worth it.
If I never worked another hour I still would probably worked more hours than most people
I have done my share and more.
Regards George
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I spent about 30 years working long days and 7 day weeks much of it away from home and hardly saw my kids grow up.
I probably would not change anything but I do sometimes wonder if it was all worth it.
If I never worked another hour I still would probably worked more hours than most people
I have done my share and more.
Regards George
Well said George, you and me both. A few years ago now before my brush with cancer and all that a 14hour day was normal. At times I did an unpleasant job for lots of money but nowadays I do a pleasant job for what I can get.(not a lot sometimes) Now I work for people I like, if I don't like you go to someone else and ask them.
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ha ha, we are all getting as grouchy as each other :) :) :)
At the end of the day we all do things differently and no I do not think you are being selfish George. It is your business and you do what you want with it, for me Sunday is a family day so I choose not to work it. Others may decide differently that is each and everyone's prerogative.
Now back to the F1 ( another reason for not working Sundays) :)
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I don't regard any particular day as being special and often work and/or teach on a Sunday. Being self employed gives me the flexibility to work when I want ( or when the Tax Man tells me :D ) Feel free to pass on my details George ;)
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I have in the past attended a learning session with a professional, I felt that it was up to me to avail myself to his schedule so that I could receive the knowledge I was seeking. I have no problem in respecting a man's choice not work on any particular day be it for religious or other reasons. Good on you George for standing your ground.
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I think your been selfish George, you get paid for 6 days and wont even give a free one on a Sunday :D :D - just joking - i have only had a couple of days off work since last chritmas even cancelling a paid holiday to work but its my fault, i must admit i do like sundays as my day, even if i work its because i want to and usually i work on somthing different to the week days.
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If I do something on a Sunday it is usually having a play and making something different not necessarily something to sell.
Regards George
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So I couldn't not work today, I had to drill holes in the bottom of some indian clubs so that I can fill them with lead and today was the only day my no.1 son was available to hold said clubs while I drilled them. I am making a capital investment this week, I am getting a new pair of welders gloves to wear when casting with hot metals. I suppose I should say it is a H&S issue but actually I'm getting fed up warming my hands during the process. :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
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When I retired I set up “Detective Walks' as a potentially remunerative activity to supplement my pitifully inadequate pension.
The Walks take people to places mentioned in the Sherlock Holmes stories of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle and locations that were important in Doyle's life. Because the locations are all in Central London, some in the City, I find that it's better to lead them at weekends, especially Sundays in the City, because it's quieter (so the customers can hear me) and because the participants are less likely to be run over.
So it suits me to be paid to work Sundays from time to time - and my charges are the same irrespective of the day of the week.
And the small income from the walks helps pay for my hobbies, including Turning
MC
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In most jobs if you work on a weekend you get payed extra maybe I should have said to her I will work Sunday if you pay me double time.I wonder how that would have gone down.
Regards George
George,
this forum needs a 'Like' button - I like this.
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What if Doctors, Surgeons, Police, Military Personnel, and many other professionals refused to work on Sundays. ????? ::) ;)
Regards John
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And Vicars :D :D :D
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What if Doctors, Surgeons, Police, Military Personnel, and many other professionals refused to work on Sundays.
They would get in trouble for breach of contract.
All those professions are generally staff employees who have contractual obligations to work 365 if necessary. They know it's expected of them when they agree to work in that field of employment.
When you're self employed, that's no longer an issue.
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And Vicars :D :D :D
Vicars (and other ministers of religion) can't complain about working on Sundays when they only work one day a week!
MCB
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And father Christmas only works one day a year :o :o :o
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And father Christmas only works one day a year :o :o :o
But it's rarely a Sunday.
And being picky, I think he works nights!
MCB
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Father Christmas works at least 3 times [nights] a year.
Some countries celibrate Christmas (open their presents) on Christmas Eve, for many of us it's Christmas Day and others still on Twelth night (6th January).
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Father Christmas works at least 3 times [nights] a year.
Some countries celibrate Christmas (open their presents) on Christmas Eve, for many of us it's Christmas Day and others still on Twelth night (6th January).
well if he worked as bit harder he might lose some weight.
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You are all being grossly unfair to Santa. Don't forget he also appears in thousands of shops for months before Christmas.
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You are all being grossly unfair to Santa. Don't forget he also appears in thousands of shops for months before Christmas.
Those are all imposters.
MC
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You are all being grossly unfair to Santa. Don't forget he also appears in thousands of shops for months before Christmas.
Those are all imposters.
MC
WHAT? You sure about that?
Pete
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You are all being grossly unfair to Santa. Don't forget he also appears in thousands of shops for months before Christmas.
Those are all imposters.
MC
WHAT? You sure about that?
Pete
I'm certain.
Sherlock Holmes told me!
MC
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Honestly MC, how can anyone take you seriously ? You'll be saying the tooth fairy isn't real next.
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what would all do if Santa said he did not work Sundays :(
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Then everyone but George would get presents!
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I'm just sat here eating popcorn waiting :D :D :D :D