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Offline TONY MALIN

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Must be the weather!
« on: March 12, 2015, 11:01:13 AM »
Wot? No posts?
Nice to see our blue tit pretending to be a woodpecker and chipping round the entrance this morning.
Promising sign of nesting again this year.

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Re: Must be the weather!
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2015, 11:35:19 AM »
Or some of us are too busy LOL. Just on a coffee break and unseasonably got a diary full of commissions. Not that I am complaining.

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Re: Must be the weather!
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2015, 11:50:58 AM »
Maybe I should start a fight that usually gets everybody going.

Regards George
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Re: Must be the weather!
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2015, 01:25:35 PM »
Here's a posting for you. Club night tonight will be a hands on night. Pete here will be working with the skew chisel, another member will be showing sharpening and I think I will do some bowl turning just for a change. So at least 3 lathes on the go at the club tonight if not more.
    Now lunch break over, back to work.

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Re: Must be the weather!
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2015, 01:32:26 PM »
I'm sure you'll bowl em over John.
Please let us know how many were there and how many actually took part.

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Re: Must be the weather!
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2015, 02:00:18 PM »
Maybe I should start a fight that usually gets everybody going.

Regards George
Ah shaddup George stop being cantankerous LOL.

Pete  (Just finishing lunch)
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Re: Must be the weather!
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2015, 02:10:32 PM »
The only time there is any life here Pete is when I start an argument .What about is woodturning Art that usually gets them going.
Or should hobby turners be selling their work cheaply and doing pros out of a living because they only do it for beer money.

Regards George
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Re: Must be the weather!
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2015, 02:14:32 PM »
The only time there is any life here Pete is when I start an argument .What about is woodturning Art that usually gets them going.
Or should hobby turners be selling their work cheaply and doing pros out of a living because they only do it for beer money.

Regards George

On those two subjects I am probably as bad as you so I will stay schtum. LOL.

(Yes and no )

Pete
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Re: Must be the weather!
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2015, 02:30:45 PM »
Will someone explain why my post has a red x and the word remove.

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Re: Must be the weather!
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2015, 02:33:33 PM »
because the know you are a trouble maker mine is the same.LOL

Regards George
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Re: Must be the weather!
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2015, 02:53:02 PM »
OK, Lets have a row.

Hammer chewers DO NOT do professionals out of any business because thay are working in different price Zones. People who but cheap things would not buy the expensive versions anyway.

Go.
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Regards
Graham
I have learnt the first rule of woodturning.
The internal diameter should never exceed the external width.
Nor the internal depth, the external height.
Does that make me an expert now ?

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Re: Must be the weather!
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2015, 02:58:48 PM »
Not me I have had a yellow card. ::) ::) ::)

Regards George
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Re: Must be the weather!
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2015, 03:09:31 PM »
and there's me thinking I'm the peacemaker!!

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Re: Must be the weather!
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2015, 05:48:40 PM »
Let us do a cost analysis for making something, let us say a light pull with no bought in bits just using offcuts of wood. So question 1. Do you charge for the wood used if it is an offcut? My answer is yes. No wood is free.If I have to pick it up I need to recoup my time and petrol costs and if the wood is stored in the workshop it needs to pay for itself.
Question 2, how long does it take you to make it? My answer is I don't know for sure as I never make one at a time I make loads (usually 100 or so). But I estimate that to cut a piece to size is about 30secs.Drill the holes not including changing drill bits and depending on timber 45 secs. Mount on the lathe and turn being generous 2mins incl sanding. Stick some polish on, let's say friction polish anoth 30secs. and I like to stick some Carnauba wax on too so anoth 15 secs. So time wise we have 5 minutes to make each one complete.
Question 3 how much for abrasives and polishes? Again not sure so I am going to say 10 pence. What figure do we have now just for manufacture?
Well let's say I earn the national minimum wage of £6.50 per hour so that equates to a light pull costing 54 pence in labour add on 10 pence for consumables 64 pence and the cost of the timber. I can get oak at £47 per cu ft, I need 2 X cubic inches for each light pull which equates to 5.4 pence excl VAT. Add on time and mileage of (I'm plucking a figure out of the air here) 10 pence and electricity as an overhead so I will add on 20 pence. So the cost of manufacture of one light pull comes to....84 pence add on 20% for profit and it comes out at £1 (point 8 p but I will call it a pound)
    So it costs me £1 to make a light pull not including about 1.5 pence per unit for product liability insurance ( which I am sure everyone who sells any of their stuff will have) In days past we used to estimate  50% labour + 50% materials and then multiply this figure by 4 so I would have to sell my light pulls at £4 each to make the minimum amount of money on this item. Now going back to Graham's comment, if your light pulls are cheaper than £4 each you are doing me out of business.

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Re: Must be the weather!
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2015, 05:50:02 PM »
Hi George,
               Remember our conversation about keeping the head down you maybe laying the bait as someone said " Bless his cotton socks" ;D ;D

                                                   Regards John   ::)
John Smith