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General Category => AWGB News & Announcements => Topic started by: Andy Coates on April 26, 2015, 08:19:58 PM

Title: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: Andy Coates on April 26, 2015, 08:19:58 PM

At the AWGB AGM today we officially launched "Let's Teach Turning", our interactive DVD course which can (but doesn't have to) lead to assessment for an "Approved Tutor" badge.

The software will soon be available for free download on the AWGB website, or you can purchase a hard copy in a case with insert for £16.

As soon as it's uploaded we'll let you know.


I know I biased...but it's fantastic!

2 years of work has gone in the production of this professionally produced software course, and we hope it will prove useful and popular.

Dave Atkinson and Peter Bradwick have done an incredible job on it.
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: dr4g0nfly on April 26, 2015, 08:23:08 PM
Andy,

thank you for informing us of this release. Excited by the prospect.
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: bodrighywood on April 26, 2015, 08:25:33 PM
Brill as we used to say years ago. Look forward to it.

Pete
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: Les Symonds on April 26, 2015, 08:26:42 PM
I am very, very interested in this, Andy...would happily buy a copy.

Les
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: GBF on April 26, 2015, 08:34:28 PM
Who is doing the teaching?

Regards George
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: galerg on April 26, 2015, 08:45:07 PM
Great News Andy ,

We are velly interested , can't wait to get a copy.

 Best Regards Reg
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: edbanger on April 26, 2015, 10:49:25 PM
Looking forward to seeing the download

Ed
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: Paul Hannaby on April 26, 2015, 10:52:36 PM
It's on the website as of now for either free download or purchase if you want the DVD. The content of both is the same.

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: Andy Coates on April 26, 2015, 11:11:00 PM
Blimey, Paul! You don't hang around! Many thanks.

George...the course was written by our development team, both professional course developers, both woodturners, and delivered using a "guinea pig" student. It was filmed by a professional camera man, the software was professionally narrated, and the system built by a reputable specialist company.
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: Paul Hannaby on April 26, 2015, 11:12:05 PM
Well I didn't want to keep people in suspenders!  ;D
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: edbanger on April 27, 2015, 07:24:45 AM
Hi Paul

I see the download only works on a windows PC will the DVD course work on a Mac ?

Thanks

Ed
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: Graham on April 27, 2015, 08:44:06 AM
I second the question about a 'Mac' download ?
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: Ryan Davenport AWGB on April 27, 2015, 09:03:12 AM
Unfortunately the DVD doesn't work on a Mac, I'm aware of some people using an "emulator" to allow software designed for windows to work on a Mac but I'm unsure if this will work as I have never tried it myself and I'm also unsure how "safe" they are to use but I do know people use them successfully.
Hope this helps
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: donwatson on April 27, 2015, 10:09:39 AM
Will it work in Linux ?

take care
Don W
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: edbanger on April 27, 2015, 10:26:59 AM
I'll try it on my Mac tonight and post the results

Ed
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: Paul Hannaby on April 27, 2015, 10:35:06 AM
No, the software is Windows only so unless you can run it in a virtual machine on another OS, it won't work.
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: Ryan Davenport AWGB on April 27, 2015, 11:11:17 AM
You can run a emulator on Linux called shel to run Microsoft windows products.
Hope this helps
Good luck ed let me know if it works please, thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: David Buskell on April 27, 2015, 12:30:30 PM
In view of the file size, it would be useful to have the facility to download from Dropbox or have it sent via Wetransfer to download at our leisure.

I'm currently downloading it now but it is taking around 24 minutes even with high speed broadband.

David
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: Paul Hannaby on April 27, 2015, 12:44:52 PM
If time is of the essence, you could always buy a DVD. That takes less than a minute!

Also, each AWGB branch will be receiving their own copy of the DVD and branch members will be able to copy it rather than download it.
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: dr4g0nfly on April 27, 2015, 12:58:12 PM
Does the Insert that comes with the purchased CD contain anything extra?

650Mb, Hope you've got a good bandwidth. It's going to be stretched tight otherwise.

I'll download a copy tonight
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: David Buskell on April 27, 2015, 02:03:36 PM
Downloaded now but watch out as firewalls don't like the ".exe" file included in the download and advise you to consider discarding this as it is "not a common download and potentially dangerous". I left the download running whilst out and found that message when I got back plus a unknown.crdownload file which is an incomplete download -waiting for the exe file I guess.

All done now and moved to the desktop to look at later.

David

Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: David Buskell on April 27, 2015, 02:15:13 PM
Once past the  firewall, the .exe file gets stopped by virus scan. You have to over-ride your settings to get it through. Install wizard works and the prog installs fairly quickly. So far, so good.

David
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: Paul Hannaby on April 27, 2015, 05:29:33 PM
Firewalls generally don't block transfer requests originated from behind them. The problems usually arise with the PC web browser or antivirus/secuurity settings, which you can override if you so wish but this isn't something we are here to support.

In answer to the question about the CD, it contains the same as the downloadable installer package.
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: SalineMan on April 27, 2015, 05:44:01 PM
I'd be another who would be interested in the best Mac option. Also, we're still in the prehistoric broadband era, 1.2 on a good day, so download is not really an option. I've tried VM in past on the Mac, but never really got anything to work properly. Nothing wrong with VM necessarily, more the numpty trying to use it!!!!

Eagerly await a Mac solution!!
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: Andy Coates on April 27, 2015, 05:59:57 PM
Hello all,

in answer to a few issues raised...

there will not be a MAC version coming...the cost of porting the whole thing over is astronomical. As we have produced this for the benefit of the whole woodturning community we are no inclined to spend even more money providing other OS options. MAC users can use "virtulabox". One of the Worshipful Company members had it up and running this morning on a mac in ten minutes. There are several very good winOS emulators and a couple of superb paid-for versions.

We won't be using dropbox or any other file transfer facility.

Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: Philip Greenwood on April 27, 2015, 06:40:12 PM
I have standard broadband and live in a small village, so not fast downloads, but I have downloaded this in 60 mins.

The content is good for all new to teaching, and a reminder to maintain good standards at all times.

Philip 
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: dr4g0nfly on April 27, 2015, 08:12:06 PM
I had the same problem as David Buskell, my download was called 'unknown.crdownload', if you get this , or something like it, just rename it to Turning.exe or [anything].exe and it will run.
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: edbanger on April 27, 2015, 08:21:44 PM
Ok got it running on my mac but I'm using Parallels and windows in a virtual setup so unless you have something like this on your mac it won't work so it's the DVD and the TV

Ed
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: David Buskell on April 27, 2015, 08:28:45 PM
Just flipped through the contents - where do you discuss the insurance issues?? I guess that if someone has stayed the course and wants to teach then surely they should have some kind of public liability cover.


David
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: Dave Atkinson on April 27, 2015, 10:09:20 PM
Hi As I have said many times - we don't offer insurance advice. 

In Session 2 page 11 we introduce risk assessment and you will hear the tutor say:

"We’re going on now to cover a simple workshop risk assessment. 
We don’t expect you to teach this to your students but you should undertake a risk assessment prior to teaching people at your workshop or club.

It is likely that you will also have to make sure you do this for your insurance.  If you have any doubts about insurance and what you are covered for, or not, please contact your insurance company or broker for advice"

Dave
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: edbanger on April 27, 2015, 10:13:11 PM
Been watching the video and I have to say well done to all involved at the AWGB this is a great idea and the video is well put together and I for one will be aiming to go on the assessment day.

It's for things like this that supports woodturning I joined the AWGB keep up the great work.

Ed
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: Paul Hannaby on April 27, 2015, 10:40:08 PM
Ok got it running on my mac but I'm using Parallels and windows in a virtual setup so unless you have something like this on your mac it won't work so it's the DVD and the TV

Ed

It's not a video DVD, actually it's not a DVD at all, it's a CD which contains the course application (which runs under Windows). I think I was calling it a DVD earlier but it's a CD - not that it makes any material difference!
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: edbanger on April 27, 2015, 11:47:02 PM
Hi Paul

Would the CD then run in a DVD player? many will play all types of format now days of course you would not get the interaction or be able to print off the pdf's

This question is not for me as I'm running this already just thinking about someone who has a mac or no PC

Ed
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: Andy Coates on April 28, 2015, 07:35:41 AM
It won't run in a DVD player as the file is a programme rather than a movie format file. Needs the interactivity, mouse controls Etc., of a computer.

Whilst this may annoy some, it was a product of what we wanted the CD to be...an interactive course, not a DVD movie you pop on and sit in front of and watch.

The idea here is that you watch...go away and do...recap if required, do again...and so on until finished.
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: The Bowler Hatted Turner on April 28, 2015, 08:13:18 AM
Apart from putting my hand up at a committee meeting I had absolutely nothing to do with the production of this course and CD. And now after viewing it over the last couple of evenings I would like to congratulate all of those involved with it, especially Peter and Dave. I thought the Youth Training initiative was the feather in the AWGB cap but with the advent of this latest release we now have a veritable headress!!
           This is what the AWGB is all about and this will effect woodturning around the world. Well done!!

  (and now surely the time is right for more of you to get involved)
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: John D Smith on April 28, 2015, 08:46:32 AM

   Well said John (BHT) yes everyone involved in this CD are to be congratulated in fact all of the Committee/Trustees  need to be congratulated for the

Stirling work they carry out on our behalf All voluntary and welcome to the new Trustees.

                                                     Regards John 
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: David Buskell on April 28, 2015, 01:04:40 PM
Hi As I have said many times - we don't offer insurance advice. 

In Session 2 page 11 we introduce risk assessment and you will hear the tutor say:

"We’re going on now to cover a simple workshop risk assessment. 
We don’t expect you to teach this to your students but you should undertake a risk assessment prior to teaching people at your workshop or club.

It is likely that you will also have to make sure you do this for your insurance.  If you have any doubts about insurance and what you are covered for, or not, please contact your insurance company or broker for advice"

Dave

That's fine -  we can point anyone who takes a copy of the course to that.


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Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: stevie on April 28, 2015, 08:37:42 PM
Any chance of the software being adapted for android tablets ? ???
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: Andy Coates on April 28, 2015, 09:49:03 PM
only if you've got the £6k to pay for it!

Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: John D Smith on April 29, 2015, 08:17:08 AM
Come on Stevie if you had read through previous posts you would have notice previous questions where members were told it is Windows
I note you have been a member of the forum for 4 years and only 3 postings but that's your prerogative now you want the earth I apologize in advance if this comment offends you but I just needed to get it off my chest,the amount of work that has gone into producing this was phenomenal.
                                         
                                    Regards John
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: Mark Sanger on April 29, 2015, 10:28:50 AM
Well done to all involved it is a hugely positive step which undoubtedly took a huge amount of work, time and money to produce, I am looking forward to watching and learning from it. Thanks to all.
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: Mark Sanger on April 29, 2015, 11:35:53 AM
Just downloaded it no problem, only took 5 minutes, must be all those quad core processors lined up in my desk top  :) :) :). Uploaded to desk top without any issues, been watching some over a coffee, very professionally produced and I am looking forward to watching it all in stages when I get a bit more time free.

Thanks again
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: bodrighywood on April 29, 2015, 12:10:32 PM
Same here, downloaded in the background no problem. Started watching first section. Very concise and factual ....thank you to all involved in making it. I can see the amount of thought and effort that has gone into this.

pete
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: julcle on April 29, 2015, 04:19:04 PM
You can certainly tell that it's been put together by a group of professional teachers. Very informative indeed well done
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: Dave Atkinson on April 29, 2015, 04:56:06 PM
Thanks for all the positive feedback.   ;D ;D

Glad you like it.

Cheers Dave
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: GBF on April 30, 2015, 09:58:08 AM
I have just downloaded it and will watch it tonight .

Regards George
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: statsman on April 30, 2015, 04:34:36 PM
Just received my club's dvd in the post.

I've only looked at a bit of it so far but it looks really impressive.

It is great to see how constructively our subscriptions are being used. Well done everybody involved.
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: rick_dobney on April 30, 2015, 11:36:12 PM
Very professional  production and something  we could all benefit from no matter how formally we 'teach' others.....a big thankyou to all involved.

I am surprised  though that this valuable material is being given away to none AWGB members, I'd have  thought  this could have generated not insignificant revenue for the association. I do appreciate the constitution of the association includes promotion of best teaching practices, but should this extend to providing FOC benefits to none members?

Thanks again
Rick
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: Dave Harding on May 01, 2015, 10:09:40 AM
The copy of the CD for my club arrived yesterday in the post. Have started to look at it this morning. The content looks very comprehensive and has encouraged me to go to the shed and have a good look at H&S issues, and prepare a list of (overdue) improvements.
I will encourage all our club members to either download or borrow the CD. We have had a bit of an influx of new members recently and i think it would be very helpful for them. It may be harder to teach old dogs new tricks.
Well done to all involved.
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: Ryan Davenport AWGB on May 01, 2015, 10:28:20 AM
It is really nice to hear such positive feedback about the disk, I can assure you there has been a tremendous amount of work (especially from Peter and Dave) that has gone into the making of the disk, I hope that everyone finds it as "informative" as I have, hopefully it will also generate more interest and reason to join the AWGB. I take my hat off to everyone involved in the making and I'm proud that it came from the hard work and dedication of the AWGB.
 I hope that everyone will make as much use out of it as I already have, it's also a great reference to things/issues and the interaction side it brilliant, I would highly recommend it to anyone.
Well done. 
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: Dave Atkinson on May 01, 2015, 01:09:33 PM

I am surprised  though that this valuable material is being given away to none AWGB members, I'd have  thought  this could have generated not insignificant revenue for the association. I do appreciate the constitution of the association includes promotion of best teaching practices, but should this extend to providing FOC benefits to none members?



Hi Rick

We did give this aspect considerable thought.  Basically we sent this to each Club Free of Charge but we are conscious that there are around 500 AWGB members who do not belong to a Club and to make them pay to get a copy we felt was wrong.  To implement a system on the website that would check the membership number against the database, so we could differentiate between members and non members, whilst possible is not something we have the time to implement or manage on an ongoing basis. 

Therefore we decided to make it freely available, which is in line with out charitable objects.

I hope that those who are not members who download the Course will be encouraged to join up.  I any event we will have helped the wider woodturning community which has to be good news for all of us.

However, the optional Assessment Day is only open to AWGB members.

Cheers Dave
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: donwatson on May 12, 2015, 04:48:45 PM
Downloaded and had a look at the programme last night, after being reminded of it by Dave Wilcocks.
Very nicely produced and very professional looking. Thanks to everyone who made it happen.

take care
Don W
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: pennardesign on May 24, 2015, 10:21:29 PM
Grrrrr does not work on a MAC
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: Paul Hannaby on May 25, 2015, 12:52:30 AM
Actually that may not be entirely true...

If you are able to copy all the course files to your device, find the "player.html" (it might just appear as "player") file and launch that in your web browser. As long as you have flash player installed and working, it should run the course.

I just tested this on an android tablet and it works on there just fine.

If you don't have the CD, you will either need to extract the downloadable installer package from the website on a PC or use winzip or similar to extract all the files from a zip file (which isn't on the website yet).

If someone with an apple mac or ipad wants to test this and is competent enough with their device to figure it out from their end, let me know and I will organise the necessary file for download.

Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: Andy Coates on May 25, 2015, 11:16:14 AM
MAC users can use "virtulabox". One of the Worshipful Company members had it up and running this morning on a mac in ten minutes. There are several very good winOS emulators and a couple of superb paid-for versions.
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: fuzzyturns on May 25, 2015, 12:01:51 PM
I think I should point out that although VirtualBox is a very good virtual machine, it is not a Windows operating system, it merely provides a framework within which another operating system can be run. Which in turn means, the user still needs a Windows license and an install CD. I, for one, do not have that and I do not intend to buy it, either.
I would also like to point out that there are several standards compliant formats for movies/videos which will play under all operating systems, and it should be quite easy for the production company to provide the DVD contents in such a format.
The ZIP file mentioned by Paul would be a great help for all MAC and Linux users, and the approach to run the contents via a browser may work well (although I'd have to have the zip file to test this). Another possible alternative would be to provide the DVD contents as an ISO image file, which can then be used to burn a DVD from it, and that DVD should play on pretty much all standard DVD players.
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: Paul Hannaby on May 25, 2015, 06:05:29 PM
The course is not a movie and it isn't on a DVD and it won't play on a DVD player!

I'm still working on the other options - watch this space...
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: The Bowler Hatted Turner on May 25, 2015, 06:07:21 PM
There are several very good winOS emulators and a couple of superb paid-for versions.

I am a very good imitator of a wino at times. ;)
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: Paul Hannaby on May 26, 2015, 10:44:47 AM
I have added a link from the website where you can run the course directly from the website instead of downloading it and installing on your own computer. This will work with non-windows devices as long as you have flash player installed and working

Here's the link www.awgb.co.uk/ltt/player.html (http://www.awgb.co.uk/ltt/player.html)
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: woodndesign on May 26, 2015, 09:00:24 PM

Brilliant .. at last I'm able to view, before I'd get issues in setting up/opening, Adobe Flash would deny, then that and Shockwave Flash plugin would keep crashing each time I'd try to open.

This is a result .. well done Paul.
 
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: john taylor on May 26, 2015, 10:51:50 PM
I have been looking at it on my PC for a while now and it is excellent in both content and production, thank you for this great resource.

I also have it running on my Ipad from your web link above, I had to download Puffin web browser and run it in that but it does work.

john
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: fuzzyturns on May 29, 2015, 06:35:43 PM
I am a linux user, and I have been able to watch the first two chapters of this on my PC without any trouble whatsoever. I have to say, this is very good and can only second John's opinion. Highly recommended.
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: Haggy on June 07, 2015, 09:40:19 PM
Bought the DVD for school use, really helpful tool. Not only is it a guide to good teaching practice but also a useful reminder for ourselves on how to turn safely using good technique . I love the way it is broken down into small learning chunks.
       Thank you for making this- much needed.
          Haggy
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: TONY MALIN on November 05, 2015, 08:45:21 PM
I've used the link but how do I save to the hard drive?

A club member has bought the DVD but can't get it to open. He's using vista.  Any ideas? I've given him the link so he can now view it.

Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: Paul Hannaby on November 06, 2015, 12:58:12 AM
Tony,
It is not a DVD and won't play in a DVD player. It's a CD for installing on a PC. Put the CD in the PC and run the setup program.

If you used the download link, your web browser should give you the choice of saving the file or running it.
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: TONY MALIN on November 06, 2015, 10:37:13 AM
Paul
I've always understood that a CD produces sound and a DVD adds vision. So what is it?

As you know Vista is an MS OS. His actual device is a Laptop not a DVD player.

As regards the download I use google chrome. It downloaded fast but didn't go through the usual save/run.

Please make allowances for us nonagenarians !!
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: Paul Hannaby on November 06, 2015, 04:29:47 PM
Tony,
A CD is also a form of file storage for computers. In this form, it just contains computer files.
Title: Re: Let's Teach Turning!
Post by: TONY MALIN on November 06, 2015, 05:02:37 PM
Thanks for that Paul. I should have thought about that, as I've used them for backing up.